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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2009, 11:31:55 AM »

Six, he IS the Ohio National Guard
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2009, 02:30:15 PM »

I lol'd.

This is what I do want.

.308 Win
Badger M2008 Action
22" Bartlein Barrel 1 in 10 twist
M5 Bottom metal
Jewell Trigger
McMillan A5 stock with KMW loggerhead cheekpiece
AAC Blackout flash suppressor
AAC 762SD suppressor
Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50mm NPR1 scope with zero stop






Mmm, gun porn.



6.5mm/6mm > Your mom.

.223 is on left for size reference. Then, in order, 6.5 Grendel, 6 AR,  6 WOA, 6 BR, 6BRX, 6.5x47 Lapua, .260 Rem.

The 6.5 grendel is amazing, sized for an AR platform it works magic out to 1000 yards but retains high ballistic energies throughout the trajectory and has shown excellent gel penetration results. Though the 6.8 SPC is currently hot shit, from the numbers it seems that the 6.5 has just as good intermediate and close range end target results while undeniably better results past 400 meters. It's basically way more accurate then a 5.56x45, got the range of a 7.62x51, slightly larger and with slightly more recoil then a 5.56x45, and much better stopping power then the 5.56x45. Pure freaking magic. And thankfully, Alexander Arms is loosening their iron fist over the production rights so you're seeing not only their DI and piston AR15, but the Bushmaster ACR, Sabre AR15s, and Roboarm XCRs being chambered in the caliber. Sub-MOA with Wolf quality ammunition from a semi-automatic DI gun, hot damn son.

.260 Rem and 6.5x47 Lapua are pretty similar, and both extremely awesome. For cost, the .260 wins out but the 6.5x47 is more robust for hand loading (or so I've heard).

The other 6mm cartidges are basically BR and should be avoided unless you're shooting BR.

I'm going to the range in a couple weeks, I'll take pictures.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2009, 02:35:04 PM »

Hey Bosses, what would the gun you just posted, in that configuration set you back? I have no idea, and was just curious.
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2009, 02:54:00 PM »

Hey Bosses, what would the gun you just posted, in that configuration set you back? I have no idea, and was just curious.
Custom build prices are really variable. To get a baseline, I'll just start with the cost of the major things on the rifle, I rounded the prices up to even numbers to figure in for tax and FFL charges.

McMillan A5/A4 stock $500
Badger M2008 Action $1000
Badger M5 Bottom metal w/ magazine $350
Bartlein barrel $300
Threading for barrel $50
AAC Supressor (w/ Class 3 fees) $1000

Total of the major parts: $3200

So with labor from a small time builder you're looking at a four grand rifle or more. If you want the work done by a big name, like GA Precision, you're going to be running around five grand.

With 200-400 rounds down the tube, this rifle might sell for $3500

A nightforce scope like that is going to be about $1500, and you're going to need a rings which will run about a hundred bucks.

Of course you can get cheap and high quality sub-moa custom rifles for just about a grand. The suppressor really drives up the price here.

Edit: Missed the trigger, which adds $200-$300

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I shoot a .338 win mag for bear hunting and longer range wild boar.....
My grandfather has a Sako .338 Win Mag, and hopefully using that I will get us a nice bear rug out of a bear that has been tearing up our apple and peach trees.

I really think most of the synthetic stocks are more hype than function. My family has a private target range. I can shoot to my heart's content there. I have shot a lot of composite and wood stocks and I really do not see a significant difference. if you can hit the bulls eye at 200 yards with a composite stock, you can do the same with a walnut one.
I am going to disagree here, synthetic stocks are undeniably more accurate, just not always by much.

It really depends on what your standard for accuracy is. For hunting, you can tolerate more variability, for precision shooting this isn't the case. A lot of hunting rifles are wooden because the loss of accuracy really isn't significant.

The last one you posted has a floated barrel. That works with a lighter forearm, but I have never seen that to have an advantage over a bench rest style forearm with a bedded action and barrel..
A bedded action and barrel? That's not going to be very accurate unless you're shooting a seriously light contour. Most shooters bed the barrel, and free float the action. Some bench rest shooters bed the barrel, and float the action to dampen barrel harmonics (and they can float the action because it's all single shot actions with no bottom metal).

To clear up some of these points, here is a good read.

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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2009, 10:21:15 PM »

Great discussion.

Phil, that suppressor is custom made? Im not sure I understood. Just curious.
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2009, 10:32:13 PM »

It's off the shelf from advanced armament corporation.

http://www.advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=51
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2009, 10:34:56 PM »

It's off the shelf from advanced armament corporation.

http://www.advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=51

Very nice. Thank you.
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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2009, 10:53:32 AM »

It's off the shelf from advanced armament corporation.

http://www.advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=51

Very nice. Thank you.
You'll also need about two or three hundred dollars of fees from a class III dealer to buy one, but it's really not an issue if you want it. Silencers are nice; they're expensive but they can make the shooting experience much more enjoyable (especially with larger calibers) in terms of report and recoil and the sound of a silenced weapon firing is truly baddass.

In other news, I will be buying one of these if they price it sanely (~$1500).



 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/remington-acr-1.jpg
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2009, 11:40:18 AM »

It's off the shelf from advanced armament corporation.

http://www.advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=51

Very nice. Thank you.
You'll also need about two or three hundred dollars of fees from a class III dealer to buy one, but it's really not an issue if you want it. Silencers are nice; they're expensive but they can make the shooting experience much more enjoyable (especially with larger calibers) in terms of report and recoil and the sound of a silenced weapon firing is truly baddass.

In other news, I will be buying one of these if they price it sanely (~$1500).



 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/remington-acr-1.jpg

The link came up blank for me. Broken? Or am I broken? Sometimes I cannot get arms websites from my office due to blocking of them via websense.
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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2009, 02:19:41 PM »

http://images.google.com/images?q=remington acr&oe=utf-8
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« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2009, 03:01:13 PM »

Nice collection. All I have is a flash hidder..  Undecided
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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2009, 07:39:55 PM »

Stimulating more discussion, what 3rd generation big name assault rifle do you choose?


FN SCAR
Calibers: 5.56x45, 7.62x51
Mechanism: Gas Piston





Remington ACR
Calibers: 5.56x45, 6.8x43, 6.5x39, (possibly 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 with different lowers for magazine compatibility)
Mechanism: Gas Piston





HK 41X
Calibers: 5.56x45, 7.62x51 (6.8x43 prototyped)
Mechanism: Gas Piston





Robarm XCR
Calibers: 5.56x45, 6.8x43, 6.5x39, 7.62x39
Mechanism: Gas Piston





Barrett M468
Calibers: 6.8x43
Mechanism: Gas Piston





CZ S805A
Calibers: 5.56x45, 6.8x43, 7.62x39
Mechanism: Gas Piston





IMI TAR-21
Calibers: 5.56x45, 9x19
Mechanism: Gas Piston

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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2009, 07:48:31 PM »

Pictures would help.

I would base my gun purchases off of looks. After all, no one will mess with you if you have one of these:



M65, fuck yeah! That is my kind of rifle.
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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2009, 05:43:41 AM »

Got to watch out for Phil, he has more ordinance than the Ohio national guard. lmao

lol thats not hard to do

oh how i love multicam... too bad it works really well so the army cant use it.
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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2009, 06:43:56 AM »

I'm stuck I the 70's with my rifles, lol. But I have heard good things about the scar and ACR. Money and tech aside, I'd like my next combat rifle to be an AUG.
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