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Fuel Fire Desire
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« on: August 10, 2009, 08:32:21 PM »

Latin: Si vis pacem, para bellum - "If you want peace, prepare for war"



Im into guns. Almost as much as cars. And recently, with a change in disposable income (for the better) I have found myself getting enthralled in the culture and technology. I could go on for PAGES on mindless gun babble....so I'll just leave some eye candy. Any questions...please ask.



Guns Ive had:




CAI CETME (H&K G3 clone) Think of an MP5 chambered in .308 cal. Bought it new for $250, sat on it until its value increased, sold it for $650.








Yugoslavian SKS (precursor to the AK47)  Bought it for $150, put $50 into it, sold it for $300

Stock


After I got done with it





Remington 870 home defense model converted into an 870 TAC. Bought it for $250, put $75 into it, traded it for AR15 parts.




Bushmaster AR15 (M4) ORC. Bought it for $500, put $70 into it, sold it for $950.




Kahn POS (and by POS......I mean it was a complete POS) Bought for $25, sold for $30.






Guns I currently own:


GSG-5 (MP5 clone) $500 with a $150 optic. (I LOVE this optic!!!!)








Smith & Wesson Sigma $150 (a total steal)





Colt Navy $150





H&R Handi-Rifle (my long range target gun) $250 with a $80 optic






Custom (in the process of being) built AR15 M4. Im taking my time with this build, it probably wont be done until winter. Probably +$1000






Guns on my buy list:




Taurus Judge.





Smith & Wesson M&P in .357 SIG





Glock 20 in the BEASTLY 10mm. (the FBI stopped using these because they were TOO powerful, lol.)

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2009, 08:45:12 PM »

I shoot a lot, but my taste is obviously different than yours.....I prefer long range bolt action rifles and large caliber magnum revoolvers (my fav is the S&W 629 magna classic)...I have always found that if the first shot counts, rapid fore and more ammo is unnecessary
my most recent aquisition was a custom built 22 250...It utilizes a mauser m-45 action, a 26 inch bull barrel, a monte carlo stock with the wide bench rest forearm and a high cheek rest. The bolt is a custom mark II with the remington style lever to clear the low scope mount. It has a fully adjustable timney trigger (set at 1 1/2 lbs) and a 6-24x50 scope with an illuminated reticle, a drop compensator and range finder....and obviously  an adjustable parallax adjustment
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2009, 09:22:34 PM »

I shoot a lot, but my taste is obviously different than yours.....I prefer long range bolt action rifles and large caliber magnum revoolvers (my fav is the S&W 629 magna classic)...I have always found that if the first shot counts, rapid fore and more ammo is unnecessary
my most recent aquisition was a custom built 22 250...It utilizes a mauser m-45 action, a 26 inch bull barrel, a monte carlo stock with the wide bench rest forearm and a high cheek rest. The bolt is a custom mark II with the remington style lever to clear the low scope mount. It has a fully adjustable timney trigger (set at 1 1/2 lbs) and a 6-24x50 scope with an illuminated reticle, a drop compensator and range finder....and obviously  an adjustable parallax adjustment


The only real reason why Im not into the bolt actions is because Im limited at my range to 100 yards. That Handi-Rifle is in .243 with a 22" bull barrel, and is a tack driver at 100 yds, I love it. Even with that cheap-o scope, its still by far the best $250 Ive spent on a rifle.


The kind of shooting I do isnt necessarily the "spray and pray" approach, more like rapid acquisition. My usual routine includes setting up numerous targets between 25 and 100 yards, and then from behind the fire line, move from one target to another at random and as fast as I can, double tapping each one. I rarely spend more than 1-2 seconds on a single target before moving on. Hence why I love that optic on my GSG-5. Its a Bushnell Trophy designed to mimic the Trijicon ACOG, but at 1/10th the price. 1x32mm, illuminated reticle. Unlimited eye relief, unlimited field of view, and almost no parallax error (just a small one). I can get rounds through the same hole at 25 yds, and ~3 MOA at 100 yds with that double tap routine I was talking about. Although, for my AR15 build, Im thinking of going with an EOTech. Since those are truly holographic, there is ZERO parallax error. Wherever you put the reticle is where its going to go (drop aside). Not to mention theyre made just a few minutes away from me.  Cheesy




A rifle you might like (maybe) which I have been lusting over for a while, but havent bought because I couldnt use it to its potential, is the Howa Axiom in .338 Lapua. Ive seen videos of guys dropping antelope with these bad boys from 1800 yards. And surprisingly, from what I hear, its a sub $1000 rifle. ....Even though .338 Lapua goes for ~$6/ rnd.


The stock isnt just collapsable, it has a shock absorber in it to reduce recoil. The .338 is a brutal round.






Not a Howa, or 1800 yds, but this guy straight drops a mule deer at +1000 yds with a custom lapua.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWyOtb6ycLY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWyOtb6ycLY</a>


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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2009, 10:26:46 PM »

Thats quite an awesome collection. It looks like you've found it to be a lucrative business as well.

Seems like all you gun guys like to buy and sell. I know a couple people who will buy guns just to sit on them for a while and resell at a higher value.

How do you like shooting the Colt Navy? I've always wanted a revolver like that. Not necessarily the Colt Navy but an old style Colt like that.
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2009, 11:28:02 PM »

I shoot a .338 win mag for bear hunting and longer range wild boar.....
I guide trophy hunts, and as I type this the California state record for non typical blacktail harvest is mounted and hanging above my head....
I really think most of the synthetic stocks are more hype than function. My family has a private target range. I can shoot to my heart's content there. I have shot a lot of composite and wood stocks and I really do not see a significant difference. if you can hit the bulls eye at 200 yards with a composite stock, you can do the same with a walnut one.
The last one you posted has a floated barrel. That works with a lighter forearm, but I have never seen that to have an advantage over a bench rest style forearm with a bedded action and barrel..

I have been on a lot of long range hunting areas....most of the time I hear the stories about shots over 1,000 yards, I am skeptical....Most of the stories have proven to be unsubstanciated, in my experience....and I have heard a lot of them.
I can shoot pretty well, but I am more interested in meat in the freezer than I am bragging rights about shooting. .....and I have killed more game animals with an old remington .257 roberts, that my grandpa gave me for my first hunt (I was 12 years old)
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 04:49:43 PM »

Thats quite an awesome collection. It looks like you've found it to be a lucrative business as well.

Seems like all you gun guys like to buy and sell. I know a couple people who will buy guns just to sit on them for a while and resell at a higher value.

How do you like shooting the Colt Navy? I've always wanted a revolver like that. Not necessarily the Colt Navy but an old style Colt like that.


Ive gotten lucky with my deals. I sat on everything I had until after last november, and once I realized the values of everything I had went through the roof I decided to let a lot go. The cetme was a crap gun to begin with, and I almost never shot that 870. The only one I really miss is that AR15, hence why Im building another.

The colt is fun. Not very powerful or accurate, but it is something unique. I dont shoot it often since it takes a lot of effort to load and clean (black powder).



And Heretic, I use everything I have to put holes in paper and grey splatter on steel targets. I dont hunt with guns (although I do with bow). Like I said, Im more into rapid acquisition type sport shooting. I want to get into some local shooting leagues, but Ive been to some of their meets and am nowhere up to their skill yet. Ive been shooting since I was ~10 or so, but only have begun to shoot ritualistically within the past 6 months (finally was accepted into a club). I'll give myself until spring before I make an attempt at a try-out for a team.

I totally agree with you on the composite vs. wood stock. Many of the composite stocks Ive seen were a bit iffy. That composite stock I had on my SKS was pretty poor. Im glad I didnt buy it new. And even the non "black" long guns Ive played around with that had factory composite stocks werent the best. At least not compared to a quality hardwood. Both my H&R and Colt were rather inexpensive guns, and I was worried about stock quality. But even with the low cost, I was highly impressed with their feel and ergonomics. BUT, Im rather partial to the pistol grip because of the shooting I like to do. And there are few wood stocked rifles out there that offer that, unless you get into the AK's or antique semi-automatics (which I have little to no interest in).


If I had more property, or if I actively hunted with firearms, my collection would be different. But I already have a breech loading target/ varminting rifle, and shooting at a 100 yard range really limits what I can do, and doesnt really justify buying anymore hunting type firearms. At least not until I buy a decent plot of property. We're not even allowed to hunt with high-powers around here anyway.


Id also like to take a stab and guess youre one of those enthusiasts that dont like the black gun clique.  Grin  (not that theres anything wrong with that opinion if true)
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2009, 05:27:17 PM »

I have no preferance toward gun color....I am completely a functional shooter. if it works, I like it. if it does not work for what I want, I don't...
I have had guns with the pistol grip. At one time I even had an Olymipc arms competition match shooting AR15. While it was unbelievably accurate at 300 yards, it was just not comfortable to shoot
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2009, 11:15:32 AM »

Latin: Si vis pacem, para bellum - "If you want peace, prepare for war"



Im into guns. Almost as much as cars. And recently, with a change in disposable income (for the better) I have found myself getting enthralled in the culture and technology. I could go on for PAGES on mindless gun babble....so I'll just leave some eye candy. Any questions...please ask.



Guns Ive had:


Remington 870 home defense model converted into an 870 TAC. Bought it for $250, put $75 into it, traded it for AR15 parts.



I NEED one of these. 


Bushmaster AR15 (M4) ORC. Bought it for $500, put $70 into it, sold it for $950.




Do want.


Smith & Wesson Sigma $150 (a total steal)




What size round does this take?



Colt Navy $150




My favorite by far.

Roughly, what does it cost to buy the black powder, and materials to shoot off say, about 100 rounds? No earthly idea what ammunition runs for a black powder set up.




Custom (in the process of being) built AR15 M4. Im taking my time with this build, it probably wont be done until winter. Probably +$1000



Keep us updated on the project please.


Taurus Judge.



OMG! I need one of these two. Whats the going price on this. Ballpark

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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2009, 12:53:44 PM »

so FFD, when you going to purchase a .50 cal revolver? lol or maybe a G.E. Minigun?
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2009, 08:30:18 PM »

The sigma is a 9mm. It's not my favorite. The balance is ok but the trigger pull is long, jerky, and very heavy. Hence why I want to get an M&P in .357 SIG. Similar design, but improved in every respect, including power range and accuracy. I bought it because it was dirt cheap, and the ammo is rather inexpensive as well.

The colt .44 isn't any more evpensive to shoot than any other pistol, but the start up costs are high because you need a lot of special tools. Maybe $100 for all the peripherals, and just under $1 per shot.


The Judge is chambered in .410 and it can also handle the colt .45, great for camping or vehicle use. They were around $450 6 months ago, but recently I've seen them ad high as $550.

As for a .50 cal, I'm undecided as to what round. I like the .50AE, but the only real platform for it is the desert eagle, and that pistol is as impractical and cumbersome as a H2. The .50GI is nice, and is offered in a glock and 1911 platform, but is expensive to shoot as a .500 magnum.

I may be getting a .500 in a rifle though. I can ship that handi-rifle back to the manufacturer and have them make me another barrel in just about any caliber for $90. Ammo for the first day for shooting will cost me more than what be gun did. Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2009, 09:27:40 PM »

I want an AR10. or an M4 that fires 6.8mm.

as for big guns, if i get deployed, this is what im trained to fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwFT84Or5UA

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2009, 07:39:53 AM »

That M4 I'm building has a 6.8mm stamped lower on it. It is identical to a 5.56mm lower except for the stamp. But I think for right now I'm just going to go with a 5.56 upper for the sake of ammo cost since I highly doubt it will ever be used to put a hole in a piece of meat....... unless there's a zombie invasion, lol. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2009, 10:06:12 AM »

Real men go CQB








If I wasn't shopping for a bike I'd be adding one of these to my collection of fucked up instruments of premieval slaughter that freak out my loved ones.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2009, 10:29:27 AM »

Fuel Fire Desire, it's cool to see that somebody appreciates the Lapua lineup. I've got a few firearms, but my real passion is long range shooting. If you've ever been lucky enough to lay your hands on a .338, you know how amazing the round actually is. I've seen people do 1600 yards with it and still maintain decent groups close to the rifle's MOA. I'm working on getting something in .338 but it's not worth it unless you're spending 4+ grand on a AI, Sako, or custom build or else you're just wasting the round's potential on a shitty gun. Ever taken a look at the 6.5x47 Lapua? The selection for 6.5mm rounds is insane if you hand load, it's almost impossible to beat for ballistics.

Right now I'm enamored with Badger's M2008 action but considering the cost, I've been looking toward Montana 1999 (basically a pre-64 Win70 action) actions. McMillan inlets for the action, and you can pick up a barreled action CNC'd (in just about any caliber) from one piece for about grand. Get a decent stock, get glass bedding, find a gunsmith to do the work, and you've got a sub 1/2 MOA rifle for two grand.

I've got an ~800 yard range in the woods in VA on family land, at one point I was shooting every day when I lived around there but now not so much.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2009, 11:29:22 AM »

Got to watch out for Phil, he has more ordinance than the Ohio national guard. lmao
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