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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2009, 10:28:12 AM »

YOU may be left handed with a high power handgun, but, I'll go dual if needed to take a bear out. Clint Eastwood I aint. 

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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2009, 12:09:54 PM »

I may be wrong, but a year or two ago my dad and I were looking at the possibility of a .50 cal rifle. We soon gave up on that because despite the fact that we can and do shoot in our yard, I quickly decided that shooting something like that in my area is just too dangerous. It also makes a crappy self defence weapon inside or outside without running the risk of hitting a neighbor because of the enormous range of those rounds. Also, I heard that .50 rifle round were about $20 a pop. I may have heard wrong, but, I dont like those rifles THAT damn much.

So a buck or two a round for a 44 is doable for me. I wont be blasting of dozens of rounds at the shooting range, just a couple to get the feel for it. My 357 with a good size grain has little or no recoil for my anyway, neither does the .45. But, I am a big guy and still have good arm/hand strength. That said, a fully charged 44 with a large grain load should be too much of an issue.

You have to keep in mind, adrenilin. Having a bear coming at you will give me enough of a boost that I could possibly hold a good .50 cal machine gun at the waist and not have an issue!! lmao
A .50 rifle is pretty much a big useless toy in my personal and humble opinion.

To be able to shoot accurately at the ranges that make the gun famous, you need match quality ammunition, like that from the Hunting Shack. You'll be extremely lucky to even close to 1MOA and be spending big bucks like you mentioned for the ammunition. A smarter shooter gets a .338 Lapua, .300 RUM, or another cartridge that was designed for long range shooting and does not simply archive this through mere size.

Otherwise you are going to be paying nearly ten grand for a package that simply makes a very large boom, and if that's what you're after your much better with a shotgun.

Sorry if I sound elitist or with a stick up my rear on this subject, one of my passions is long range shooting and I've seen a fair share of idiots obsessed over the .50BMG rifles because they saw them in a video game.

If you really feel the need to go with a .50BMG rifle, get one from McMillan. Their Tac50 is actually a pretty decent rifle, but you'll always do better with a Tac338.

Range means absolutely nothing if you can't hit what you're aiming at. This is the same reason Cheytac developed their .408 cartridge and barrett finally gave in and created the .416 and made a .338 Lapua rifle.
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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2009, 12:25:20 PM »

Thanks Phil.

The 50 cal rifle idea came about when we first moved to the property and given all of our space, we were contemplating possible options for some taget plinking. It didnt take long to realize that a 50 cal rifle without a real purpose is a waste of money. That and given the enormous range, we would still run the risk of collatoral damage. So we decided against a LONG time ago. We are not hunters, I regularily shoot coyotes on my land but I use my shotguns for that, and at a close range - relatively speaking. The 44 is going to be for one purpose, defense. Defense in the wild actually, not even for home defense. I prefer the 45 to be accessible for home defense needs. Its just a love for the pistol that I picked up in the military. It may not stop a bear, but, there are not many humans made that will get up after a clean hit with one shot from those guns.
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2009, 12:33:18 PM »

If you come to Virginia some time you can use the range I've set up, it's only a thousand yards but then again I only have .308 and .300 Winchester Magnum rifles. If I ever get the money, a .338 Lapua is on the list. The 700P had a limited run in .338 Lapua, for only around a grand, but from what I hear they had serious barrel issues and it's not worth it to go cheap on something that won't work (cough, harbor freight, cough).

Black bear or brown bear?

Edit: And not being a southpaw like Lee, I think without a doubt that the 1911 is the greatest weapon ever made. They don't take to hotloads well, but the Colt Delta Elite is in 10MM auto, and it's a 1911 for all intents and purposes. Colt just made another run of them, so you could pick one up if that's what you feel comfortable shooting. Or CZ's Dan Wesson line takes in 10MM auto, or some of Kimber's 1911 clones.
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2009, 12:49:01 PM »

If we go camping NW US state parks or Canada, I am not sure WHAT kind of bear we may encounter. Or cougar for that matter. The purpose is to pack something that in a life or death situation where it is the animal or me and/or my family, the animal doesnt walk away. Or I suppose, if it walks away, so much the better. Just away from our direction. I know that may cause an issue with a ranger, but, if its the bear or my family, the bear gets it. I dont love animals THAT much to become dinner.
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2009, 05:31:22 PM »

bosses...the 1911 in 45 acp does not have the velocity or the penetration for bear........I saw a bear hit three times with a 6mm rifle last year still trying to get up The only reason it stayed down was that the third shot cut it's throat.......I use a ruger chambered in 338 winchester mag to hunt bear....it takes a lot to stop them....

and sixer.....if you get near a big kitty....you will never see it, but have no doubt it will be watching you.....I can tell you stories about them that will make the hair stand up on your neck
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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2009, 06:55:07 PM »

bosses...the 1911 in 45 acp does not have the velocity or the penetration for bear........I saw a bear hit three times with a 6mm rifle last year still trying to get up The only reason it stayed down was that the third shot cut it's throat.......I use a ruger chambered in 338 winchester mag to hunt bear....it takes a lot to stop them...
I actually totally agree with you, that's why I suggested a 1911 in 10MM Auto.

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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2009, 12:30:37 AM »

I would not use a 10mm.................Both bears and wild boar scare me. I am not going to get the minimum that will kill them. I want a hand cannon
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