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Grand Master
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« on: April 19, 2009, 02:34:54 AM »

Subject:  Is this right?? Truth being stranger than fiction
You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.
With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your
shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door
and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.
One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder
brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast
knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second
man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the
telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few That
are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them
useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that
the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and
Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he
tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to
"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.
"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave
yourself, and you'll be out in seven."
The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper.
Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men
you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't
find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article,
authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous
times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son
Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been transformed from career
criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the
story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the
international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.
Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably
win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized
several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police
for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last
break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.
The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait
for the burglars.
A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced,
as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand,
your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors
paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for
the jury to convict you of all charges.
The judge sentences you to life in prison.
This case really happened.
On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed
one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and
is now serving a life term.
How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great
British Empire ?
It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law
forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun
sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act
of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms
except shotguns.
Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon
by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.
Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the
Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man
with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he
saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.
The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun
control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all
privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a
Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a
semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public
For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally
unstable or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which
to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the
media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on
all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, Sealed the fate
of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.
During the years in which the British government incrementally took away
most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed
self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to
grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that
self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens
who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real
criminals were released.
Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as
saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."
All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several
elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had
no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques,
had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.
When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given
three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British
subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by
police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't
comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns
from private citizens.
How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been
registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.
Sound familiar?
"..It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams
If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know. You
better wake up cause your new president is going to do this very same
thing over here if he can get it done.  And there are stupid people in
congress and on the street that will go right along with him.

I don't have an attitude problem... You have a "being an asshole" problem
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 11:55:33 PM »

I think I mentioned this in SCF

There was a similar case here a few months ago, were an old fella had two thugs break into his house on his farm. He barricaded himself in his bedroom with his wife and grabbed the shotgun. He warned the intruders that if they tried to enter the room, he'd blow them away. They came in, he fired. One went down, the other ran like hell.

The biggest uproar over the incident was when the media said the police were investigating whether or not to charge him with assault. They did lay the charge, but they dropped it a day later.

How is this relevant? Well, even here, where guns have gone from a social norm to the sign of the social pariah, I think people still accept the fact that guns can do good. I won't deny this, this is one of those instances that makes me want to declare myself pro-gun, but a gun is only good when in the hands of those who know what they're doing and can be trusted to do the right thing. The rest of the time, they're just a box of matches sitting next to a crate that may or may not contain a metric shit-ton of TNT.

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 05:10:07 PM »

I grew up with guns. When you live on a cattle ranch guns are just a part of life. My grandpa always told me "if you see one coyote, it is just a scavenger, leave it alone.....If you see more than one, they are now a pack. Kill every one of them you can hit!". We made a game of trying to let them get over 250 yards away, then nailing them before they got away. It was a bit of harmless fun, but it made us exceptionally good with guns (just try hitting a running dog at that range)

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 10:46:40 PM »

I can only hope that it would never come to this stateside. England can have some pretty "out there" laws.. For one, I think dogs have to be put in seat belts now? My dog lives to stick his head out the window.

If we can't control the drug distributions, can we control gun sells?
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